I'm not sure how to say this so I will just do it. Chuck Dixon, Ethan Van Sciver and Dan Jurgens all supported trump. It's hard to accept their work anymore. I've talked to all these creators on Twitter. I only respect Jurgens out of all this. I can no long purchase the work of Sciver or Dixon.
I'm just curious if I'm alone in this. If you don't want to talk about it, just ignore this post. Thanks, I just had to get this out.
I think this is different for everyone. It's a personal choice in the end. Now I am not a trump-supporter, but someone else voting for trump would not automatically mean I wouldn't buy their work anymore. I'm supporting them by buying their stuff, not supporting trump. That's how I'd justify it for myself. However, as you said, you had contact with them, so it probably isn't just that they voted for trump that turned you off, but more likely their personal beliefs and such. Now if you no longer can see their work separate from their ideology's, then sure, stop buying their work. That seems perfectly valid to me. I don't know where you'd draw the line though, if there is even a line to be drawn. And does this work retro-actively? Do you for instance stop enjoying early spider-man when you find out Ditko is huge Ayn Rand supporter (if you don't like Ayn Rand that is)? Also, do you now feel the need to find out the political leanings of every creator you encounter?
In the end it remains your choice though. If you don't want to buy their work anymore because of how they voted or what they believe in, then you have every right to do so. I'm sure people stopped buying work from people for less reasons.
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Post by HouseWayne on Dec 24, 2016 17:17:45 GMT -6
I have done all those things. Looked into everyone's work. From actors to companies. I've stop supporting them all. That's also why I can accept Dan Jurgens. He said he did it and didn't realize the hate behind trump. I can only take him on his word. He even said he thinks he made a bad decision doing so. Even some celebrities have said the same. I can respect that. I stopped watching John Wayne movies because he's a bigot. I stopped caring about chutullu because Lovecraft was a bigot.
I don't support hate. That's why I didn't watch Dr. Strange. I can't do white washing. That's me. I just need to talk about it. I moved Ethan Van Sciver's work but I all I see is, trump trump trump. I can't appreciate his work anymore.
You're right thought. People have stopped following a creator for lesser reasons. Joe and Matt constantly rag on Dixon and how they loathe his work. Thanks, Molenwiek.
I don't support hate either. My faith in humanity allows me to believe that most people are inherently good at heart.
I also don't believe that everyone who voted for Trump is filled with hate. Some are of course, but many are not. For many people their voting choice could be do to economy, or jobs, or just always voting along party lines.
When it comes to changing a character race/gender/sexuality/etc. in movies I ask myself one thing, did that trait define the person? In the sense of the Ancient One, I do not believe the defining characteristic was being Asian, or male. I also do not have an issue with Michael B Jordan playing Johnny Storm because the character is supposed to be young and hotheaded. I love Stephen King's the Dark Tower, it's one of my favorite series, and I love Eldris as Roland, since Clint Eastwood is too old (though he needs to put on the damn hat!)
On the other hand I did have a problem with the "Make Iron Fist Asian" movement. The reason is that being a stranger in a strange land and outcast is an essential part of his character. So making Danny Rand black or Latino would be no problem, but making him Asian defeats the purpose of the character.
"Fairy tales do not tell children that dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed."
-G. K. Chesterton
Yeah but I wouldn't give Manson my money. I can separate it just fine. I can say Dean Cain is the greatest portrayal of superman in my eyes and still never support his career. Not watch anymore shows or movies he's in. I can do that and still not give them my money. And while that time goes on. I'll forget that person. That's how it works.
If I never see another piece of Manson's work. I haven't missed out on anything. It's the work of a psychopath. Someone who conceived people to kill someone. That won't ever benefit me. Ever.
So because of that, I say goodbye to something that doesn't benefit me.
Comics do benefit me, very much. But I don't read every comic.
Post by briandomingos on Dec 28, 2016 11:32:53 GMT -6
It depends, I guess.
I am liberal (and a #AlwaysHillary supporter) but I can be turned off in either direction by a creator's actions. I also think the writers have more of a voice than the artists. A writer can taint a script - an artist just needs to draw well. As long as they aren't peppering the backgrounds with racist of anti-gay stuff, it's fine. Like, I think Van Sciver is a bit of a dick sometimes and I would not buy anything he wrote, but I wouldn't hesitate reading a book with his artwork. Dixon is a strange case. I read TONS of his stuff when I was a kid. I loved ROBIN and NIGHTWING is a load-bearing book of my fandom. That said, Dixon from the 2000s is a fraction of the man that wrote in the 1980s-1990s. His stuff is homophobic and gross. And writing a CLINTON CASH comic? Fuuuuuck off.
Like I said, the behavior of some of the Uber-liberal writers can be off-putting as well. I have become a little more selective with the creator-owned books of people like Greg Rucka and Kelly Sue DeConnick (and many others I can't think of right now). It's not a criticism of the work, there are just times when the books are very much not for me.